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  • in reply to: Ranger Club House #4324


    From Joseph:

    “Just wanted to let you all know that there is a server issue that is causing this glitch and we’re already aware of it. The BM Tech Dept and the ESD IT Group are hoping to having this resolved today.

    – Joseph

    PS – ESD’s general email address that’s best to use when you don’t know who to email is 911@burningman.com.”


    You mean digging up the dead horses so that they can be flogged again?


    I went digging back through ye olde email archives looking for the Allcom protocols to inform this discussion…I wanted, both for myself and for you all, a touchstone on the philosophies behind the Allcom mailing list and an informed place to start a conversation about whether the forum was meeting those goals.

    I found the protocols in an email titled “Allcom Protocols, Civility, and a Recipe for Soup” (dated 2/10/12 for those of you who keep all your emails); re-reading the email in its entirety and remembering the nasty, unproductive weeks of list traffic that caused it to be written made me shudder a little bit with remembered trauma.

    As someone who is required by my role within the Rangers to read each and every one of the messages that went across Allcom (and now the forum), it was never really the volume of messages that made me think a forum system could work better—a rationale which keeps getting thrown around here as a reason and makes some sense—but was instead the tendency for even inane conversations to veer into loops of unending nastiness with little ability to moderate or separate that nasty conversation from the rest of the less-mean list traffic. For example, the “making strippers cry” thread made me want to punch my computer screen in the face more than once and drowned out other conversations that were going on at the same time.

    There were a lot of good things about Allcom, but I cannot view it with the rosy glasses that I’m seeing start to tinge this conversation.

    I appreciate that @pp asked this question and that many of you are chiming in. I hope that this forum thread doesn’t end up like Allcom often did, where we devolve into strawman arguments and name calling. It would give me hope that the same thing could happen if we do end up going back to an email list.

    And with that long-winded introduction, here is the stated philosophy of the Allcom list (and, by extension, the philosophy of this forum).

    It may be worthwhile to think about which information delivery system met this philosophy best for you as you think about whether an email list is the best solution, while also acknowledging that your mileage may vary from the Ranger next to you.



    This is a Ranger List. This list presents a learning and
    acculturation opportunity. Rangers old and new are on this list if
    you’re an experienced ranger, demonstrate rangerly behavior, if you’re
    hoping to become a ranger, observe, participate, and learn from the
    community. Rangers are open, neutral, and relatively unstructured.
    Rangers aim to be part of the solution, not part of th problem. When
    faced with a difficult situation, Rangers F.L.A.M.E it.

    Any topic is fair game on this list. If it’s not of interest to you,
    or potentially offends you, ignore it. Any topic should be addressed
    as a Ranger. This is good practice for the playa We don’t get to
    choose what we’re exposed to on the playa. Post and reply here as a
    Ranger. Just like on the playa if you can’t be Rangerly, back out.

    Sometimes it is appropriate to take conversation or disagreement off
    list. take it off list: no one wants to have an argument in their

    There will be moderators on the list. Thought generally laissez-faire,
    the moderators will at times help remind list participants of the
    protocols here.

    Remember we have 300 readers on this list. Try to keep posts on
    topic-ish and do not beat dead horses. Of topic posts should be marked
    OT: in the subject line.


    No attachments. Post links for reference.

    Use plain text to post.

    your posts for content and length, edit the stuff you’re quoting.

    Edit the subject line when appropriate.

    Don’t forward off the list without the author’s permission.

    Please don’t cross post (across lists), this can cause hassle and confussion for the list moderators, post to different list in separate emails.

    (thus ending my sixth and longest post to the forum ever).

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